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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft Silverlight Mobile coming to Nokia, wakeup Adobe!</title>
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	<description>&#34;Flash is my bloody constant&#34; ~ chall3ng3r</description>
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		<title>By: chall3ng3r</title>
		<link>http://www.orison.biz/blogs/chall3ng3r/?p=236&#038;cpage=1#comment-132088</link>
		<dc:creator>chall3ng3r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 08:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

No updates so far. I think MS is waiting for SL to get a bit mature in features, and I&#039;m sure they&#039;re doing lot of optimizations and learning from what FL/J2ME developers were missing. (I hope so :))

SL2 is in market as release product, and SL3 is in beta, so I think we can expect some updates on SL for mobile soon. I will try to get some feedback from MS guys.

// chall3ng3r //</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>No updates so far. I think MS is waiting for SL to get a bit mature in features, and I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re doing lot of optimizations and learning from what FL/J2ME developers were missing. (I hope so <img src='http://www.orison.biz/blogs/chall3ng3r/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>SL2 is in market as release product, and SL3 is in beta, so I think we can expect some updates on SL for mobile soon. I will try to get some feedback from MS guys.</p>
<p>// chall3ng3r //</p>
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		<title>By: EVVJSK</title>
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		<dc:creator>EVVJSK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 20:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any update on Silverlight for Nokia/Symbian? It has been a year since the last announcement. Has this fallen through, been replaced by Adobe Flash, or what. Thanks,
Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any update on Silverlight for Nokia/Symbian? It has been a year since the last announcement. Has this fallen through, been replaced by Adobe Flash, or what. Thanks,<br />
Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: chall3ng3r</title>
		<link>http://www.orison.biz/blogs/chall3ng3r/?p=236&#038;cpage=1#comment-89889</link>
		<dc:creator>chall3ng3r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that would be really shocking.

// chall3ng3r //</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that would be really shocking.</p>
<p>// chall3ng3r //</p>
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		<title>By: Felipe Andrade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felipe Andrade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be more shocking if Steve Jobs announce that the iPhone will be going with Silverlight instead of Flash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be more shocking if Steve Jobs announce that the iPhone will be going with Silverlight instead of Flash.</p>
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		<title>By: chall3ng3r</title>
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		<dc:creator>chall3ng3r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think so. If MS will allow developers and end-users to download the runtime on existing devices, which support upgrades, it can capture the market rapidly.

Lets see how MS do this.

// chall3ng3r //</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think so. If MS will allow developers and end-users to download the runtime on existing devices, which support upgrades, it can capture the market rapidly.</p>
<p>Lets see how MS do this.</p>
<p>// chall3ng3r //</p>
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		<title>By: Tasty_Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tasty_Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOWWW!!
thats a great new!!
some chance to have it in the next firmwares??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOWWW!!<br />
thats a great new!!<br />
some chance to have it in the next firmwares??</p>
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		<title>By: chall3ng3r</title>
		<link>http://www.orison.biz/blogs/chall3ng3r/?p=236&#038;cpage=1#comment-89885</link>
		<dc:creator>chall3ng3r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bill.

// chall3ng3r //</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bill.</p>
<p>// chall3ng3r //</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just updated my blog with more information: http://www.flashdevices.net/2008/03/silverlight-on-nokia-what-it-means-for.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just updated my blog with more information: <a href="http://www.flashdevices.net/2008/03/silverlight-on-nokia-what-it-means-for.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.flashdevices.net/2008/03/silverlight-on-nokia-what-it-means-for.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for sharing your thoughts, it&#039;s good to get honest feedback from the community.  soon I&#039;ll be posting more information on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for sharing your thoughts, it&#8217;s good to get honest feedback from the community.  soon I&#8217;ll be posting more information on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: chall3ng3r</title>
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		<dc:creator>chall3ng3r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Yes, I&#039;m aware of all the available Flash Lite enabled devices. But the only point is that there&#039;re many phones which can be upgraded to latest Flash Lite version. Like most S60 and WinMobile devices. But Adobe does not allow to do so.

Also since the begining of Flash Lite, Macromedia/Adobe never shown concern about WinMobile based devices. And still, there&#039;s not a single WinMobile device which comes with pre-installed Flash Lite.

I also don&#039;t call Flash Lite as &quot;runtime&quot; implementation, because it lacks all the runtime features. For example, pack-and-distribute (aka, installer making, like AIR/PyS60/WRT apps), extendability (PyS60 for example, allows to extend via py libs as well as c++ modules) to name a few. I&#039;d ask Adobe to take a look at PyS60 and WRT to see how a proper runtime should be implemented.

// chall3ng3r //</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m aware of all the available Flash Lite enabled devices. But the only point is that there&#8217;re many phones which can be upgraded to latest Flash Lite version. Like most S60 and WinMobile devices. But Adobe does not allow to do so.</p>
<p>Also since the begining of Flash Lite, Macromedia/Adobe never shown concern about WinMobile based devices. And still, there&#8217;s not a single WinMobile device which comes with pre-installed Flash Lite.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t call Flash Lite as &#8220;runtime&#8221; implementation, because it lacks all the runtime features. For example, pack-and-distribute (aka, installer making, like AIR/PyS60/WRT apps), extendability (PyS60 for example, allows to extend via py libs as well as c++ modules) to name a few. I&#8217;d ask Adobe to take a look at PyS60 and WRT to see how a proper runtime should be implemented.</p>
<p>// chall3ng3r //</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, you&#039;re aware that all the Nokia devices discussed today already include the Adobe Flash Lite and Flash Player runtimes, right?
http://www.adobe.com/mobile/supported_devices/handsets.html
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/nokia.html

You raise a good point about reconciling the desktop and mobile profiles, and Kevin Lynch has already given guidance that this work is under development.

jd/adobe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, you&#8217;re aware that all the Nokia devices discussed today already include the Adobe Flash Lite and Flash Player runtimes, right?<br />
<a href="http://www.adobe.com/mobile/supported_devices/handsets.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.adobe.com/mobile/supported_devices/handsets.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/nokia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/nokia.html</a></p>
<p>You raise a good point about reconciling the desktop and mobile profiles, and Kevin Lynch has already given guidance that this work is under development.</p>
<p>jd/adobe</p>
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